TELECOM Digest     Thu, 9 Jun 94 08:11:00 CDT    Volume 14 : Issue 279

Inside This Issue:                          Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Internet Access From Cuba (Bob King)
    Dual PPI-14.4Kbaud -- Can't Talk! (Dave Spensley)
    Looking for Cheap, Portable Terminal (Tim Nyce)
    Historical Private Line Price Compression (Scott Pope)
    Position: Sr. Software Engineer - Telecom/Telephony - MN (John F. Nymark)
    PacBell "California Calling Plan" (Lloyd Matthews)
    1-800-CALL-ATT x 21 Returns! (Paul Robinson)
    Which Court Case Decided Phone Records Were (Almost) Public? (D. Burstein)
    Help Needed With Meridian Trunks (Paul Samuelson)
    Toll-Charge 800 Numbers (Richard King)
    Re: Average Data Speed of Wire Telegraphy Wanted (Nathan N. Duehr)
    Re: Help: Bad Phone Lines in San Jose (John R. Haggis)
    Re: Seeking Answering Machine With Voice Mail (John R. Haggis)
    Re: Bills Online, Action Needed Now (James D. Wilson)
    Re: New Book: The Electronic Traveler (Carl Moore)
    Re: Geographical Boundaries of COE's Reference Needed (Carl Moore)
    Re: Can ANI be Blocked From Call Recipient? (K. M. Peterson)
    Re: Call Waiting (Carl Oppedahl)
    Re: What Do I Get When Dialing 311? (S.H. Schwartz)
    Re: What Do I Get When Dialing 311? (Les Reeves)
    Re: Is Meridian 1 Option 11 Current? (rpkrpk@aol.com)
    Re: Pac Bell's "ISDN Anywhere" (Dee Hardiman)
    Re: Bellcore CID Specifications Wanted (Lynne Gregg)
    Question About FCC FTP (defantom@aol.com)
    Cisco Mail List (defantom@aol.com)
    Help - Telecommuting Information Needed (szfast@chip.ucdavis.edu)
    Re: Last Laugh! Please Explain the Term 'Steaming Terminal' (puma@netcom)

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From: bking120@news.delphi.com (BKING120@DELPHI.COM)
Subject: Internet Access From Cuba
Date: 9 Jun 1994 04:28:02 -0000
Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation


Some friends of mine are traveling to Cuba later this month on
journalists' visas and are seeking a convenient way of sending
articles back to the United States. Does anyone know if Internet
access is available in Cuba -- and if so, how easily available?

Much thanks!


Bob King    Sarasota, FL    bking120@delphi.com

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From: davesp@comm.mot.com (Dave Spensley)
Subject: Dual PPI-14.4Kbaud -- Can't Talk!
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 03:29:17 GMT


Gentlepeople,

     A friend and I are having trouble connecting two PPI 14.4K baud
modems together!

     Even though we use the same modem settings, we get major CRC
errors, limiting our transfer rate to <800 cps.  We are both using
Procomm for Windows.

     One modem is internal, one is external.  Are Procomm settings
interfering with modem efficiency?  Any clues will be appreciated.


moc.tom.mmoc@psevad  \  yelsnepS evaD  |  Dave Spensley  / 
davesp@comm.mot.com

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From: tnyce@netcom.com (Tim Nyce)
Subject: Looking for Cheap, Portable Terminal
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1994 19:24:13 GMT


I have a friend who needs an inexpensive terminal that can be
attatched to a modem or has one built in. Not particularly fancy, just
cheap with a decent-sized display. He wants to be able to check mail,
read news, etc.  If you have any reccomendations, sources, or units
for sale, please reply or mail me and I will pass it on to him.


Thanks,

Tim Nyce tnyce@netcom.com TRA# 2492
Dallas Hi-Power 214-783-4563  NAR# 58591

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From: scott_pope@wiltel.com
Subject: Historical Private Line Price Compression
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 94 16:03:58 PDT
Organization: WilTel


Does anyone know where I could find a study showing compression of
private line prices from 1984 or 1985 to present?

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From: jnymark@nycor.win.net (John F. Nymark)
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 1994 10:50:58
Subject: Position: Sr. Software Engineer - Telecom/Telephony - MN
Reply-To: jnymark@nycor.win.net (John F. Nymark)


                  SENIOR SOFTWARE ENGINEER
                     TELECOMMUNICATIONS
                         TELEPHONY

Here's an opportunity to have your contributions greatly impact a
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Will be working on products geared to interactive voice response and
recognition, faxcimile on demand, and many other telephony products.

Ideal candidate should have a software development background out of
the telecommunications/telephony industry, have lead development teams
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Should also have a strong business/market savvy to be able to cater to
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To learn more, contact Julie O'Connell
                       The NYCOR Group
                       4930 West 77th Street
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                       (612) 831-6444
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Please send E-Mail to jnymark@nycor.win.net  ATTN:  Julie.

Please let your friends know of this opportunity.

            WE LOVE REFERRALS.

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From: lloyd@pebbles.esl.com (Lloyd Matthews)
Subject: PacBell "California Calling Plan"
Date: 8 Jun 1994 23:01:39 GMT
Organization: TTC - ESL, Inc.


My boss has heard at nth-hand of a business service offered by PacBell
called the "California Calling Plan", that's supposed to be cheaper
than an 800 number. The salestypes at PB don't have a clue what it is.
Do any TELECOM Digest readers know if this service exists?


Thanks, 

Lloyd Matthews (Lloyd_Matthews@SMTP.esl.com)

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From: Paul Robinson <PAUL@TDR.COM>
Reply-To: Paul Robinson <PAUL@TDR.COM>
Subject: 1-800-CALL-ATT x 21 Returns!
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 19:25:15 EDT
Organization: Tansin A. Darcos & Company, Silver Spring, MD USA


About a year and a half or so ago, I posted a notice here that AT&T
had announced that their 1-800-CALL-ATT, then dial 2-1 to get to
AT&T's switch computer to place calls using a Local Exchange Company
or AT&T Calling Card had been discontinued in favor of 1-800-32-10ATT.

Now, AT&T's 1-800-CALL-ATT number has been returned to service for
this purpose, with the announcement saying to press "1" to make a
call.  But the interesting thing is that the old "2-1" (e.g. extension
21) dialing will *ALSO* work!

Oh, and the 1-800-32-10ATT number still works.  It does the same thing
as 1-800-CALL-ATT but without having to dial 1 or 21 first.

What goes around, comes around ...   


Paul Robinson <PAUL@TDR.COM>

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From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein)
Subject: Which Court Case Decided Phone Records Were (Almost) Public?
Date: 8 Jun 1994 19:13:00 -0400


Reference has been made numerous times in this Digest that a person's
telephone billing records are business records of the phone company,
and are not personal or private.  As I recall the thread, since these
records belonged to the telco, the phone company could cheerfully hand
them over to the local gendarmes (among others) without a warrant.

Being an ordinary mortal wihout access to Lexis or other legal data
bases, if I tried searching blindly for this case it would take me
forever. Could some kind soul out there in net-land extend a gentle
hand and guide me along?


Thanks muchly,

Danny Burstein   dannyb@panix.com (or dburstein@mcimail.com)

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From: pss@aol.com (PSS)
Subject: Help With Meridian Trunks
Date: 8 Jun 1994 21:07:06 -0400
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)


I am having a problem programming an analog trunk card. I need to be
able to program CO Call Forward Variable (72# XXX-XXXX and 73#) on a
1FB (I guess it might not be a 1FB if I run it through the switch, but
I will worry about that later). I would like to run the line thru an
analog trunk to be able to program the forwarding from any phone on
the switch.

My problem is when I seize the trunk with the trunk access code, I
cannot send DTMF directly to the trunk. The PBX seems to be absorbing
digits or not sending them directly. I can seize the trunk and dial a
local number, but not change the CFV.

Any tips?


Thanks,

Paul Samuelson

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From: rpk@watson.ibm.com (Richard King)
Subject: Toll-Charge 800 numbers
Date: 8 Jun 1994 17:39:51 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research


I just read in my local paper that there is such a thing as toll-
CHARGE, rather than toll-FREE, 800 numbers.  This struck me as so
completely outrageous and bizarre that I was wondering if any of you
folks out there could confirm or deny the existence of such things.


Richard


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Yes indeed, we do know about these
things. Actually, you are not paying for the call to the 800 number;
you are paying for the 'information' passed over the phone line to you
as part of the call. Consider it like calling an 800 number to make
airline reservations or some mail order purchase. In those instances
you call the number, then make your purchase and give your credit
card number for payment. In the cases you mention however, the charge
for the services rendered (but not the call into the information
provider in and of itself!) is billed to your telephone bill in the
same way 900/976 calls are billed. Since we just finished a thread on
this during the past couple weeks it seems premature to start the
discussion all over again so I refer you to the back issues of this
Digest during the last part of May and the start of June for more
details. The consensus here seems to be most of those operations are
sleazy, however they are legal, and a perfect work-around to the
'problem' many information providers were encountering with 900 of
being unable to collect their fees.   PAT]

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From: nduehr@netcom.com (Nathan N. Duehr)
Subject: Re: Average Data Speed of Wire Telegraphy Wanted
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 03:06:27 GMT


wes.leatherock@oubbs.telecom.uoknor.edu wrote:

> Press operators were, I think probably the elite of operators sending
> in the wire telegraph days.  Perhaps those working for brokerage wire
> houses could also put in a claim to this, but I'm not sufficiently
> familiar with them to be able to judge.

Don't forget the railroad ops ... they had their fair share of traffic
as well!


Regards,

Nate Duehr    nduehr@netcom.com

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From: haggis@netcom.com (John R. Haggis)
Subject: Re: Help: Bad Phone Lines in San Jose
Organization: Millennium Research
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 01:07:50 GMT


In article <telecom14.271.13@eecs.nwu.edu> sgiblab!hh.sbay.org!terry@
uucp-gw-2.pa.dec.com (Terry Greenlee) writes:

> And a special thanks to Pacific Bell.

Yeah, but they were finally just doing their job.  Days/weeks later ...


JohnR (haggis@netcom.com)

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From: haggis@netcom.com (John R. Haggis)
Subject: Re: Seeking Answering Machine With Voice Mail
Organization: Millennium Research
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 01:49:07 GMT


In article <telecom14.271.8@eecs.nwu.edu> clampett!nrn@uunet.uu.net
(Norman R. Nithman) writes:

> I'm looking for an answering machine with at least two voice mailboxes
> in the $100 range.  Any suggestions will be helpful.

Norm,

There are several available <= $100, with caveats.  See my post in
this group with the title: "Re: interactive Voice Mail system for PC".

In summary, National Semi Tyin, Complete PC Communicator EZ, Computer
Peripherals Viva Message Center.  Go to a good computer store.


JohnR  (haggis@netcom.com)

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From: NetSurfer <jdwilson@gold.chem.hawaii.edu>
Subject: Correction Re: Bills Online, Action Needed Now
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 21:03:35 HST


On Mon, 6 Jun 1994, Carl Moore wrote:

> Your message to telecom includes:
> >Dale Kildee (D-MI)
> >ph.  202-25-3611         fax  202-225-6393   NO EMAIL

> Is the first phone number supposed to be 202-225-3611?
> Apparently a digit is missing from it.

Yep - put it to good use ...


James D. Wilson        V.PGP 2.4:   512/E12FCD 1994/03/17
P. O. Box 15432        finger for key / Viacrypt Reseller
Honolulu, HI  96830    
Serendipitous Solutions   Also NetSurfer@sersol.com 

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Date: Wed, 8 Jun 94 14:38:23 EDT
From: Carl Moore <cmoore@ARL.MIL>
Subject: Re: New Book: The Electronic Traveler


I'd suggest using "+", the country code, the city code, and the local
number.

> Fountain Travel BBS                0273 584827

What country?

> Modern Traveller                   7-0562-425901
> Time Traveler BBS                  886-4-276-0160
> Traveller-Box                      49-7664-95185
> Travelmatic                        39-11-502423

Each of these is the complete telephone number, including the country code?

> Belize Tourism                     011501233711

Should use + instead of the leading 011?

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From: Carl Moore <cmoore@ARL.MIL>
Subject: Re: Geographical Boundaries of COE's Reference Needed
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 94 15:12:34 EDT


I vaguely recall hearing that the correlation between telephone
exchange and location was telephone-company proprietary information.
In that case, what I know (largely -- not all -- being near me) is
just a case of reverse engineering.  I noticed 508-753 in Worcester,
Mass., so if that 617-753 is an actual prefix, it came in after the
617/508 split was fully cut over.  I do correlate telephone exchange
and zipcode if possible, but some phone-company place names turn out
to be nonpostal.  And I am even less familiar with such correlations
occurring outside the United States.

Pilot Books on Long Island (in New York) does publish a zipcode-
areacode correlation.

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From: kmp@tiac.net (K. M. Peterson)
Subject: Re: Can ANI be Blocked From Call Recipient?
Date: 8 Jun 1994 14:53:23 GMT
Organization: KMPeterson/Boston


In article <telecom14.274.4@eecs.nwu.edu> keith.knipschild@asb.com
writes:

> Is it true that you can have your local telephone company BLOCK ANI,
> So that when you call a 800 number they can't know who you are?

> I am not talking about Caller ID. I know the difference.

Speaking of which:

There was a shooting here in Boston a couple of days ago.  I noticed
that the telephone number that our TeeVee stations are advertising to
call information into the Boston Police is an 800- number.

I wonder if the ability to get ANI has anything to do with having an
800-number rather than a local number.

By the way, in Massachusetts, local calls on [non-COCOT] payphones are
still $.10 .


K. M. Peterson    email: KMP@TIAC.NET
phone: +1 617 731 6177 voice   +1 617 730 5969 fax


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You betcha it does! They are not so much
interested in making sure poor people can call them for free to provide
theories on the crime as they are in getting the phone number of the
people who choose to call for whatever reason. Be extremely careful of
calling those 800 numbers given to 'help the police' as shown on the
shows like 'Unsolved Mysteries' and 'FBI Most Wanted'.  PAT]

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From: oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl)
Subject: Re: Call Waiting
Date: 9 Jun 1994 01:12:30 -0400
Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC


In <hal9001.1121346473B@news.panix.com> hal9001@panix.com (Robert A.
Rosenberg) writes:

> In Article <2su4jt$bel@panix.com>, andrewk@panix.com (Andrew Taeyon
Kim) wrote:

>> Is there a way to temporarily disable call waiting so that I wouldn't get
>> disconnected in the middle of the download?

> Yes - prefix your number with *70W (or *70,, or, if you have a dial phone,
> 1170,,). Thus *70W1-212-787-3100.

On the central offices I have used, there is quite a noticable stutter
of the dial tone after I dial *70, giving the impression that one must
wait until the dial tone is steady again to dial the rest of the
telephone number.  Contrary to this impression, however, I found I
could leave out the W or the commas.  This saves quite a bit of time
in dialing if it works.  YMMV.


Carl Oppedahl AA2KW    Oppedahl & Larson (patent lawyers)
Yorktown Heights, NY   voice 212-777-1330  


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Yes Carl, this is quite true. Any of the
service codes which can be prepended to the dialing string will produce
the stutter tone, such as *70 or *67 for ID blocking, etc. I've found 
you can dial straight through them without any pause at all.  PAT]

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From: schwartz@nynexst.com (S. H. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: What Do I Get When Dialing 311?
Date: 8 Jun 1994 17:58:45 GMT
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Reply-To: schwartz@nynexst.com


In article 5@eecs.nwu.edu, keith.knipschild@asb.com () writes:

> When I dial 311 (I live on LI.N.Y -NYNEX-) I get connected to a
> TELETYPE sounding device. Does anyone know what this is? In the past
> 311 would announce the telephone number you were calling from, like
> 958 does.

THIS RESPONSE IS NOT AN OFFICIAL MESSAGE OF THE NYNEX CORPORATION OR
ANY OF ITS SUBSIDIARIES.

Just covering my rear.  :-)

311 is now set up by NYNEX-New York to handle TDD calls for emergency
services, whether or not 911 is configured in that local area.

TDD = Telecom. device for the deaf


Steven H. Schwartz Network Operations Laboratory
schwartz@nynexst.com NYNEX Science and Technology Center
PROFS: SCHWARTZ@UNIX 400 Westchester Avenue
914-644-2960  White Plains NY 10604

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From: lreeves@crl.com (Les Reeves)
Subject: Re: What Do I Get When Dialing 311?
Date: 8 Jun 1994 17:26:23 -0700
Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access  (415) 705-6060  [login: guest]


Dave Niebuhr (dwn@dwn.ccd.bnl.gov) wrote:

> In TELECOM Digest V14 #274 keith.knipschild@asb.com

>> When I dial 311 (I live on LI.N.Y -NYNEX-) I get connected to a
>> TELETYPE sounding device. Does anyone know what this is? In the past
>> 311 would announce the telephone number you were calling from, like
>> 958 does.

> I posted an article about this not too long ago in TELECOM Digest.
> 311 is used by NYNEX in its service area for hearing impaired people
> to be able contact emergency services in a similar manner as normally
> hearing people do by dialing 911.

> The sound is a TTY device, the same one as heard when dialing a
> hearing impaired person.

Is this the code which the Telecommunications Relay will use nation-wide?  
I heard they had lobbied for a standard national access number to the
relay service.

FWIW, 311 has been going to something which does not answer here in
Atlanta for the past two months.


Les     lreeves@crl.com       Atlanta,GA      404.874.7806

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From: rkprkp@aol.com (RKPRKP)
Subject: Re: Is Meridian 1 Option 11 Current?
Date: 8 Jun 1994 14:56:01 -0400
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)


In article <telecom14.274.3@eecs.nwu.edu>, root@arc.ug.eds.com writes:

Option 11 is current and there are plans in place to continue to
expand and enhance the product.  I would feel very comfortable
recommending an Option 11 to anyone in the appropriate size range.  If
you have any specific questions, feel free to e-mail me.  I'm with
Southwestern Bell Telecom and we distribute the Northern Telecom
product.  One thing that may be a bit confusing is that the Option 11
has lagged the other Meridian 1 systems by 1 release level in software.  
For example, most Meridian 1's are at release 19, while Option 11 is
at Release 18.  By the end of this year that discrepancy should go
away.  The Option 11 is a great system.

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From: hardiman@cbnewst.att.com
Date: 8 Jun 94 20:04:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Pac Bell's "ISDN Anywhere"
Organization: AT&T


Helpful info:

PacBell runs an ISDN BBS.
510-277-1037 for pokey old modems.
510-823-4888 for speedy new BRI or SDS 56/64K access

The sysop is Scott Adams and can be e-mailed at sradams@pacbell.com

Please understand that the LEC sales teams, like many telco sales reps
spend most of their time selling 800 type service, and that data is a
small part of their bag.  Hence the field training is sometimes thin.
PacBell happens to be one of the better LECs wrt getting information
out to the field and the customers.


dee hardiman    (AT&T isdn sales support for N. CA & pacific nw)

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From: Lynne Gregg <lynne.gregg@mccaw.com>
Subject: Re: Bellcore CID Specifications Wanted
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 94 16:50:00 PDT


Bellcore Customer Service 800/521-CORE in U.S. or 908/699-5800 for
outside U.S.

TR-TSY-000860   ISDN Calling Number ID Services (and Supplement 1).

TR-NWT-000031 LSSGR CLASS Feature Deliv. Calling Number Delivery.


Regards,

Lynne

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From: DeFantom@aol.com
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 94 20:48:53 EDT
Subject: Question About FCC FTP


Hello all.  I seem to recall that the FCC began requiring long
distance carriers to file outage reports with the FCC if the outage
resulted in the blockage of over 90,000 calls.  (This was in the wake
of 'the' AT&T outage a couple of years ago.  Remember when their CCS7
crashed?)  Anyway does anyone know if these outage reports are available 
thru a FCC FTP?

I'd appreciate any info!


defantom@aol.com

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From: DeFantom@aol.com
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 94 20:56:58 EDT
Subject: Cisco Mail List


Another question, (figured I would make use of a great resource).  Has
anyone ever heard of an Internet distribution list for Cisco?  I saw
it listed in the Internet yellow pages but I have not received any
kind of response back.  (This was two weeks ago.)  If anyone knows
please drop a note.  From what I read about the list it sounds like a
good one to get on to.


Thanks!

defantom@aol.com

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From: szfast@chip.ucdavis.edu 
Subject: Help - Telecommuting Information Needed
Organization: University of California, Davis
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 02:36:36 GMT


Hi everyone -

I'm trying to put together a proposal for work to convince the boss to
let a few of us telecommute.  I'm looking for information to present
which shows telecommuting in a positive light. Can anyone recommend
some good sources, either on the net or magazine articles/books/organi- 
zations where I might find this type of information?  

Thanks in advance!

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From: puma@netcom.com (puma)
Subject: Re: Last Laugh! Re: Please Explain the Term 'Steaming Terminal'
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 1994 10:00:00 GMT


> is a common term for the situation which arises when
> a terminarwl user spills their coffee or coke into the ventilating slits
> on top of the terminal casing.  In such an instance, there is usually
> a large "ssssspppppppphhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiittttttzzzzzzzing" sound

And TELECOM Digest Editor partially noted in respose:

> Yes, remember to always keep beverages out of reach. Trouble is most
> of us have to learn the hard way; I know I did.    PAT] 

Folks are always spilling drinks into keyboards here.  Some can't be
disassembled or are designed in such a way that they never work again.

The funniest story I have was when a professor spilled a cup of coffee
into the vents of the lower portion of a WYSE computer terminal, where
the circuit board is located.  He then proceeded to try and dry it out
(without cleaning it first) with a heat gun, and melted the plastic
case down on top of the circuit card.


puma@netcom.com

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