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TELECOM Digest     Wed, 18 Oct 95 09:12:00 CDT    Volume 15 : Issue 441

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Re: Power And The Internet Domain (Lars Poulsen)
    Re: Power And The Internet Domain (Henry Baker)
    Re: AT&T's Bait and Switch Tactics (Steve Cogorno)
    Re: AT&T's Bait and Switch Tactics (Lowell Kim)
    Re: AT&T's Bait and Switch Tactics (Bob Bulmash)
    Re: NYNEX Goes National With Online Yellow Pages (John Levine)
    Re: Regulatory Question - LATAs vs. State Lines (John N. Dreystadt)
    Re: ??? 800-MY-ANI-IS ??? (Mark J. Cuccia)
    Re: Distributed Line Hunt (Matt Gebhardt)
    Re: Recorded Solicitations (Bob Bulmash)
    Re: Satellite FAQ / Information Needed (Glen L. Roberts)
    Wanted: Rockwell GVS 3000 Digital Switch (Vincent Moore)
    Help: Harris Dracon TS21 Butt Set (John Radisch)
    SS7 Information Available on WWW site (anadigicom@aol.com)
    Information Needed - Internal Corporate Telephone Charge-backs (Leo 
Berz)
    Help Needed With SMDS (Phil Ho)
    Re: FAX Machine as Page Scanner (Joe J. Harrison)
    Still More About the Octothorpe (Marc Schaefer)

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In article <telecom15.438.1@eecs.nwu.edu> murphy@rtcent.com (Sean Murphy 
- 
RTC Enterprises) writes:

> "Power and the Internet Domain"  by Jesse Hirsh
> Turns out (no surprise really) that the Internet domain registration
> monopoly (internic.net) is indeed owned by the military-industrial-
> biological complex. For once it's as if the double-speak vanishes and
> the truth is as open as a web page.
> Now Internet domain registration will begin to be priced according to
> user-fees starting at $50 annually. One source, one collecter of fees.
> One databank with all Internet registration ...
 
> Scientific Applications International Corp.

And at the end:

> goto http://www.saic.com/ and pick the corporate report.
> it's some crazy pages, almost wonder if they're real...

At first I was wondering what they have been smoking in the
smoke-filled rooms where you've been hanging out, but then I realized
that you are posting from Canada ...

SAIC is indeed a defense contracting company; mostly they I have known
the business line where they place engineers into (U.S.) DoD sites on
a contract basis to allow the government institution to hire people
that command higher pay than the GSA ratings for which the position is
classified. As you will have noted from the Web site, they are owned
by the employees, and they have defined a code of ethics for their
business. Hardly the deeply sinister company that you are trying to
paint.

The Internet registration functions were originally funded by the
(U.S.) Department of Defense through a contract with SRI International
in Menlo Parlk, California. Then the contract was transferred to
"Government Services Incorporated" in Virginia, which was a subsidiary
of NSI (I think that stood for Network Solutions, Inc.) and the (U.S.)
National Science Foundation picked up the tab.

You may have heard that there is a loud cry in the United States to
scale back the government, and NSF is withdrawing the funding for
this activity. This is why the funding now has to come from user fees.
The fees are not outrageous.

If you don't want to pay the fees, there are other domains in which you
can register, such as the country code domains (.CA for Canada, .US for
USA). Since these are under different administrations, I would expect
them to have different funding mechanisms. Personally, I think .COM
is an abomination, and most users ought to register in the geographical
domains, but then I'm not in any position to impose my personal taste.

If you think the current (new) model is so bad, why don't you propose
a better alternative ?

Lars Poulsen     Internet E-mail: lars@RNS.COM
Rockwell Network Systems   Phone:        +1-805-562-3158
7402 Hollister Avenue      Telefax:      +1-805-968-8256
Santa Barbara, CA 93117    Internets: designed and built while you wait

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In article <telecom15.438.1@eecs.nwu.edu>, murphy@rtcent.com (Sean 
Murphy
- RTC Enterprises) wrote:

> For those who don't know internic.net is the "central" (catch that 
one),
> registration point for the Internet. Operated in conjunction with 
AT&T,
> internic.net is the biggest reference source on the net. Every time 
you
> send an email with an address like "lglobal.com", that name is 
referenced
> to internic.net and converted to an I.P. address such as 210.50.120.2
> which denotes network topography.

This makes for almost trivial 'traffic analysis', and due to the income
from the $50/domain/year, they get _paid_ to do it!!

I haven't check the number of active domains recently, but this could
eventually add up to serious money -- $50 million or so.


www/ftp directory:
ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/hb/hbaker/home.html

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Buxboyy@aol.com said:

> Well, two days ago (five days after being PIC'ed over to AT&T) I got a
> check for ... $15.  Wow, could they have switched and baited me twice?
> YES, but never again ... how can I take action against AT&T for their
> misrepresentations, and report them to the FCC?

When I switched back to AT&T, I got a similar offer.  And like you, I
received a small check shortly after the switch.  I later found out
that this was to cover the charge from Pacific Bell to change carriers. 
My promotional check arrived a week later.

I would wait another week, and then if you still haven't received it,
call and demand a new check be issued.


Steve   cogorno@netcom.com

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Why don't you take the time to find out which company you like best
and then stick with it. It's not hard to find out how much you're
being charged for your long-distance service; just look at your bill.
Some simple math will give you the answer. AT&T offered me $40 and 40
percent off for four months. I told them to forget it because I was
already getting that kind of deal with my current company.

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The FCC will only take written complaints.  

If you've got the dates and names of the individuals involved at AT&T,
I think it wuld be more fun to call AT&T at their Basking Ridge NJ
HeadQuarters (your local AT&T service rep can connect you for free).
Ask to speak with their executive complaint department, and tell them
the story.  Be sure to get a date from them by which they will
respond, and tell them that if they don't resolve the issue by giving
you what they promised, you wil have to assume it was interstate
fraudulent advertising.
 
You may also want to mention that you will be reporting back to this
newsgroup regarding the outcome of your conversation, and that my firm
(Private Citizen, Inc.) will be anxiously following the matter. 

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> MIDDLETON, Mass. (Oct. 17, 1995) -- NYNEX today announced that it has
> expanded its online Yellow Pages service so that consumers can now
> find virtually any business in the United States....  
> NYNEX Interactive Yellow Pages (TM),
> available on the Internets World Wide Web (http://www.niyp.com), now
> offers consumers 16.5 million business listings from throughout the
> nation.  The directory includes business type, name, address, and
> telephone number.  It is the United States' first and only complete
> online national business phone directory.

It's not a bad service, albeit their geography is a bit grainy for my
taste. (When I'm looking for a pizza, a list of every pizza place
within 150 miles of here is not all that useful.)

But the most amazing thing about this all-U.S. Yellow Pages is that
it's physically located in France! It's in the Paris suburbs. Try a
traceroute to www.niyp.com and you'll see your packets hop across the
Atlantic and bounce around in France before finally arriving.

NYNEX had a deal with Minitel and for a while you could call into
Minitel from the New York area, using PC software they gave out to
simulate a genuine 1200/75 bps Minitel terminal with a little text
only screen. It was kind of fun but kind of overpriced if you speak
French, utterly unusable otherwise. Evidently this is what finally
came of that deal.


Regards,

John R. Levine, Trumansburg NY
Primary perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies"
and Information Superhighwayman wanna-be


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I always assumed that people who ate 
pizza
on a regular basis had a speed dial button on their phone devoted to 
that purpose so they did not have to look up the number each time.  PAT]

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In article <telecom15.438.4@eecs.nwu.edu>, kd4cim@vulcan.com says:

> I have run across a regulatory issue that I can't quite figure out.  
> There are a number of examples, but to zero in on one:

> South Haven, MS is in the Memphis, TN LATA and is also in the
> free-calling area of metro Memphis.  Do calls from South Haven to
> Memphis fall under state PSC jurisdiction or under FCC jurisdiction?
> It *appears* that South Haven falls under the jurisdiction of the TN
> PSC for POTS service (I am sure that MS has figured out how to at
> least collect taxes from the situation), but a private line from South
> Haven to Memphis falls under FCC jurisdiction.  I have always known
> that LATAs can span state boundaries, but I have just encountered the
> jurisdicational issue as to where to go for tariffs for different
> services.

Based on previous experience, the FCC also has control over the POTS
rates.  Historically, the AT&T rates for intra-LATA/interstate rates
were the exact same as the inter-LATA/interstate rates with the exact
same mileage bands. Of course, the large mileage bands were unused,
there are no Latas that are 3000 miles across.


John Dreystadt

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Yesterday, Tues 17 Oct.95, I could *NOT* get a number readback on
800-692-6447 (MY-ANI-IS). I only got a 'other-common-carrier' type of
dialtone (~440 Hz). I tried to enter various touchtone strings (I
entered 700-555-4141 just for the heck of it), and received an
'invalid-entry' type of recording. The recording did NOT identify who
they were- but the recorded voice and letter code at the end of the
recording was that of MCI's.

I don't know if MCI itself was providing the actual readback on
800-MY-ANI-IS, but they probably were the long-distance carrier for
the 800 call itself.

This happened yesterday from my office phone (on a PBX), from my home
phone ('enhanced' POTS line), and from my cellular. It is happening
this morning (8AM Central Time, Wednesday 18 Oct.95) from work (it
also happened earlier this morning from home), and I had some friends
in Minnesotta and Seattle try it last night. They also got the 'MCI'
dialtone!?!?!

I know that sometimes there is a fault in the equipment -- but maybe
the provider has suspended the service -- or maybe you have to enter
some kind of PIN or code.

Also, my Central Office switch-based ANAC code hasn't worked (from the
switch which serves my home telephone number) since Sunday. Someone
told me that in their location (this was in another state) that they
enter whatever N11 is used for them, followed by the seven 2's (or
'any' NXX-XXXX after the three digit ANAC prefix), but *now* they have
to continue with a three to five didigt PIN type of code- maybe telco
is *PARANOID* that we know more about them than they do <g>!

SO, for the time being, we'll probably just have to call someone
(locally) with Caller-ID to determine the line number (or trunk number
if from a PBX)- from PBX's whose trunks show up as 'private' (or
'anonymous call' depending on the ID box) or Cellular systems which do
similar 'private' or 'out-of-area', one *can* place a card call over
AT&T/Bell/LEC, and the trunk's 'POTS' loop number will show as the
originating number when we get our bill later.

There are some other ANI readback numbers -- some are 800 -- others
are geographic POTS numbers. I don't know them off hand, but there are
some webpages out there which have listed them -- but they could be
outdated.


MARK J. CUCCIA   PHONE/WRITE/WIRE:     HOME:  (USA)    Tel: CHestnut 1-
2497
WORK: mcuccia@law.tulane.edu          |4710 Wright Road| (+1-504-241-
2497)
Tel:UNiversity 5-5954(+1-504-865-5954)|New Orleans 28  |fwds on no-answr 
to
Fax:UNiversity 5-5917(+1-504-865-
5917)|Louisiana(70128)|cellular/voicemail

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My answers as well relate to the DMS 100.

redhouse@netcom.com wrote:

> One piece of info which you've left out here is whether all members of
> the DLH will have DN's.  They might not.  A DLH may have members which
> don't have DN's.  If this is the case, the facility to dial into a
> specific member of the group may be lost by using a DLH.  If you're


                                                        

> thinking of switching to a DLH, make sure and ask about this.  Charges
> may differ based on how many DN's you consume.

If you use a DLH, granted the number will be the same. However, you
could use the option Bridged Night Number (BNN) so that you could
still dial each line independently (typically for test purposes). One
application might be a listed number that goes to a 5 member DLH of
(eg) NXX-1000. Each member then would have a separate BNN number. Eg,
member 1 might be NXX-1001, member 2 would be NXX-1002, etc. This
gives the capability of dialing specific members of a DLH (or MLH for
that matter).


FWIW, Matt Gebhardt, mgebhard@atu.com, 907-564-1955

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Sales solicitation calls made to residential telephone numbers, which
are comprised solely of a recorded message, are a violation of the
`Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991'.  Look at `47 USC sec.227,
(b)(1)(A)'.  Under this law, you can sue the caller for $500. and/or
report them to the FCC.

Finding out who is calling may be a problem cuz they generally don't
leave their name or number in the recording and rather ask you to
leave your name/number.

In such situations, leave your number; but leave a `code name' with it.
(e.g. if your name is `Beck', leave the name `Beckanov'.  When someone
calls you back asking for Beckanov ... you've got the hook in em. 

After that, there's more to do to reel the violator in.  But at least 
it's
a start.


Bob Bulmash
Private Citizen, Inc.
1/800-CUT-JUNK

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In article <telecom15.439.3@eecs.nwu.edu>, Matt Birkner <birknerm@email.
exide.com> says:

> Is there a FAQ available for satellite information?  Specifically, I 
am 
> looking at purchasing a dish for corporate use that can:

> 1.  Receive broadcasts from CNN, HBO, Weather Channel, etc ...
> 2.  Receive private broadcasts from Sun, Microsoft TV, etc.

Check out rec.video.satellite.tvro


Glen L. Roberts, Host Full Disclosure Live
Tech Talk Network: Telstar 302, Ch 21, 5.80 Audio
WWCR Shortwave: 5,065 khz.  8pm / Sundays.
Articles, Catalog, Downloadable Programs, AUDIO, Links & More:
http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~glr/glr.html

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I have a business associate who needs to purchase several:

Used Rockwell GVS 3000, Digital switches and Accessory components

He asked me to post this for him to see if anyone could help him
locate one or more of these units.  He is willing to pay a finders
fee!!

If you know where this item might be available, please e-mail me
(cvmoore@cl-intl.com) or you may contact him directly.  His contact
information is as follows:

Bob Smith
CellThrift, Inc.
(770) 933-0490 - Voice
(770) 956-0074 - Fax

I believe the need is for one of these initially with more needed for
other markets.

Thanks in advance for any help that anyone may be able to provide!


Vince Moore (cvmoore@cl-intl.com)
C & L International Computers
Visit our Home Page at http://www.cl-intl.com
Want A Price List?  E-Mail prices@cl-intl.com

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I need some simple help for a Harris Dracon TS21 Butt Test Set, in
specific, I need to know where the SENDER and RECEIVER wires attach to
the board. I have a 1982 model and bought it at a swap meet, someone
tried to modify it and "rewired" it and then ripped out these four
wires.

Reply by email.


Thanks,

John Radisch    RadCom Technologies
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

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Signaling System 7 description and product description have been added

Address is http://www.anadigi.com

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I am working with a large Oil Company who is intrested in hearing how
other companies handle internal telephone billing.  If you are
involved in providing telephone services, (either from the IS or
Buliding Service side) to an internal client base we would like to ask
you a few questions.  Please contact us either by phone or by E-mail
so we can discuss this matter. All information provided will be kept
confidential.  Also if anyone knows of a Usenet group that deals with
Facility and Service issues it would be most helpful.


Thank You,

Leo Berz  Berz Enterprises
PO Box 620492   Littleton, CO 80162-0492
(303) 692-4792  E-Mail: berz@ix.netcom.com 

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Does anyone out here have any experience with SMDS?  I would like to
locate a router and a CSU/DSU that I can use in setting up a WAN
utilizing a SMDS connection.

Any suggestions are welcome.


Thanks,

[hop]

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> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Do you mean to tell me that the 
> installation of a phone line in Japan costs seven hundred 
> dollars? That's awful!   PAT]   
         
Now that really is awful. Here in the UK the installation of a
residential BT phone line costs only 175 dollars (116 pounds).
         
For some reason the common US practice of having an extra line or two
installed at home for the kids or the modem just doesn't seem to have
caught on here. Or in Japan either I guess!
         

Joe

ICL Ltd. Bracknell Berkshire RG12 8SN  UK (+44-1344-473424)      
X.400: S=Harrison/I=J/OU1=bra0112/O=icl/P=icl/A=gold 400/C=GB   

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I have seen this word "octothorpe" in 'awk and sed' from the Oreilly
collection.  I thought you might be interested :-)

In French we call this un di\`eze.

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