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Date: 06-02-94 (01:38)             Number: 1376
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Subj: New MST3K software             Conf: (22) MST3K
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  I'd like to announce the newest in a line of compilers from Borland:
Torgo C++.  It compiles the same, but all the error messages are of the form
"Line 16: tHe MaStEr dOeS NoT apProVe oF nuLl pOinTeR AssiGnMenTs."
--
Tom Salyers                "Now is the Windows of our disk contents
IRCnick: Aqualung           made glorious SimEarth by this Sun of Zork."
Denver, CO                                    ---Richard v3.0
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Date: 06-02-94 (01:38)             Number: 1374
From: INTERNET: MOOKIE@U.WASHIN    Refer#: NONE
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Subj: Rec Arts Tv Mst3k Tomorro      Conf: (22) MST3K
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Date: 06-02-94 (01:38)             Number: 1373
From: INTERNET: BRIAN@SDG.DRA.C    Refer#: NONE
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Subj: Hy-5...The Drink of Fate       Conf: (22) MST3K
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Anyone ever heard of Hy-5? It's a sports drink like Gatoraid. Anyway, on each
bottle are 2 large hands, a la the Master's cape from Manos!  I tell ya, it's
the drink of champions!  Just ask Torgo!!!!
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Date: 06-02-94 (01:38)             Number: 1378
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Subj: Re: CC ads on the RADIO!!      Conf: (22) MST3K
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>I just heard over a local radio station ads for comedy central,
>promoting their new slogan "What the h*** is going on around here?!"
>(Which is what most of us think every time we try to tune in to
>MST ;)...anyway, it's Penn's lovely voice (not!), and so far
>there only seems to be one version of the commerical...one that
>advertises WLITA?, KinH, and SNL  (thank goodness it's not
>S-US-U or SAST!)....hopefully there will be others that involve MST....

CC is running one in the DC area on the Howard Stern radio show (and
possibly elsewhere). It mentions MST3K; in fact, Penn starts describing
the premise when a group of voices comes on and says the tag line. They
alternate this one with the KitH/WLIIA/SNL spot.

(Side note: this is kind of ironic, since Stern has said over and over
that he hates the people at CC.)
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Scott Fabbri                  MSTie #31643        tomservo@access.digex.net
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Date: 06-02-94 (01:38)             Number: 1380
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Subj: Patricide                      Conf: (22) MST3K
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I wish to announce the imminent death of my father.  Dad likes MST3K,
but Clemson doesn't get Comedy Central, so he asked me to bring him
some tapes.  He's getting a tape with, in order

Manos, Hands of Fate
Monster A-Go-Go
Castle of Fu Manchu

I don't think the poor man will live through it.
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Date: 06-02-94 (01:38)             Number: 1381
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Subj: Taping at the con might b      Conf: (22) MST3K
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Um, I hate to rain on everyone's parade here, but from the sounds of
things, it looks like the Radisson doesn't want people messing with
their TVs.  Period.  Let's face it, the TVs are Radisson's property,
and if you damage one while hooking up a VCR, the Radisson has to pick
up the cost of getting it fixed.

Now I agree that you probably won't do that much damage (maybe screw
up the wiring is all) but it still would mean some hassle for the hotel.
And depending on how ticked off the Radisson gets about it, it could
mean anything from higher room fees to no Forrester packages offered
at all for future conventions.

Just something to think about --
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Date: 06-02-94 (01:39)             Number: 1408
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Subj: Re: OUR LETTERS TO UNIVER      Conf: (22) MST3K
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This also made it to the Philadelphia Inquirer on Sunday. They even
included an excerpt from a letter:
(okay, I just can't resist- I'll type the whole article!)
btw, "|" is for bold print. This is by Steven Rea (just to give him credit)
___________________________________________________________________________
|Play "Mystery" for Me.| Fans of _Mystery Science Theater 3000_, the Comedy
Channel cult fave that merrily lampoons old and cheesy flicks, especially
old and cheesy sci-fi and horror flicks, are up in arms over news that
Universal Pictures, which had struck a deal to develop a big screen _MST3K_
project, is getting cold feet. Diehard "Misties" (as they're wont to dub
themselves) are inundating Universal production cheif |Casey Silver| with
pleas to reconsider. Part of one of the hundreds of epistles dropped on
Silver - this one from a |Debra Caruthers| in Santa Barbara, Calif. - goes
like this: "I heard a story once that, in the mid '20s, a young man named
Walt suggested doing a cartoon about a little black mouse to the executives
at Universal. They declined the idea. So young Walt built his oun empire,
practically next door. Missed oppurtunities. They're not a pretty sight."
    No response yet from Silver's office.
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Well, HA. _I_ posted the article.

I wonder what would've happened if Mickey went to Universal?
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Date: 06-03-94 (03:15)             Number: 1527
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Subj: Copyright Infringement!        Conf: (22) MST3K
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Howdie!  (Hi.)  If you're wondering what a hot and controversial title like
this is doing on your newsgroup (yeah, right!), it's because we're a short-
term, temporary publication for the con-goers of the national MYSTERY SCIENCE
THEATER 3000 convention taking place this fall on September 16 and 17 at the
Radisson South, Bloomington!  (*Whew!*)

"Are you serious?!" you ask?  Heck no!  If we were serious, we'd be New York
lawyers and be making millions and millions of dollars!

So, instead, our intention is to keep fans informed about the fan goings-on at
the ConventoInventa...uh, the ConvoCreat-o...um, you know, the convention
thingie everybody's been talking about!

How do we do this?  Easy -- join a mailing list!  Mind you, now, the mailing
list is edited and will be mailed out whenever the editor darn like feels like
it!  But, hey -- what do you want for free?

Wanna join?  Easy!  Make an e-mail reply to this posting right now!  Not going
to the con but you're desperate for e-mail?  Sure!  Why not?  Reply & request
to be added to the list.  What if the convention has now (by the time you read
this) come and gone and is a long-lost memory?  Well, you can beg, plead and
grovel for back issues of the mailings, but what's the point?  It's OVER!

Now, mind you, we've got nothing to do with BEST BRAINS, INC., as great and
powerful as they are....

Until we're told to cease and desist, we're COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT!

This notice copyright 1994 Rocky and Ken Forklift Team.  All right reserved.

--
                                                           *
Lisa Jenkins                                             ,_\\._,
jenkins@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu                          / &&\_\&\
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                                                     |`COMEDY     `|
          This has been a presentation of....        |   -=CENTRAL.|
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Date: 06-04-94 (20:26)             Number: 1851
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Subj: Re: ATTN MAC USERS: Stack      Conf: (22) MST3K
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> What does this have to do with the Stack O'Love?
>
> Please forgive my ignorance, but my .net access was removed from me for a
> while, and I only just got over the surgery....
>
> Any info regarding the SOL will be greatly appreciated...

OK, to save time I'm also posting this to r.a.t.m so the new people
there can catch up. -sigh-

mac.archive.umich wanted to put Stack O' Love version 2.0 in their ftp
site, but they couldn't do it without permission from Best Brains,
since it contains copyrighted material. I gave them Jim Mallon's email
address, with a caveat that he rarely answers; the boneheads sent the
request with that mild insult attached. I don't know if it had any
influence, but about a month later I got an email from Julie Walker
(only after I asked her about it in alt.tv.mst3k) telling me Jim wants
me to stop distributing the SOL, followed up by an email from Mallon
himself about two weeks later. Both letters were polite.

I stress: *No legal action has been taken against me at this date, nor
has any been threatened.*

Points:

1) None of the copyright material I used for the SOL was taken from the
show by me. It still exists, widely available on the Internet,
CompuServe and America OnLine. If I stop distributing the SOL, the
copyright violations will still exist.

2) If BBI is concerned about copyright, it should patrol the net and
online services more closely for violations. BBI members are on all
major online services and have access to the Internet.

3) The graphics and sound in the SOL, while adequate for the task, are
low quality--1-bit black and white, 11 khz sound. That was to save room
in what is already a huge document (1.4M). This is hardly a threat to
any kind of database program BBI itself may want to put out.

4) I notified BBI via email in November before I uploaded version 1.0
to the Internet about the program's existence and asked if they had any
problem with it. I got no reply. I took that as a "We don't care," not
that off an assumption when you look at the gigabytes of other MST
copyright violations floating around cyberspace.

5) BBI could easily license the SOL for one year's non-profit
distribution at literally no loss to themselves. I did not put the
stack together with thought of profit and have turned down any
shareware fees anyone has attempted to send me. (Easy enough; I just
don't send them my snail mail address.)

Since the stack's upload and enthusiastic reception, I have begun
working (though not lately *blush*) on a commercial version demo to
present to BBI. It's obvious there's a market for an MST database, and
the team behind Torgo the Module of Fate wants to take it to its
extreme conclusion: The Disc O' Love CD-ROM. Though I programmed the
SOL by myself, it's the only program I've ever written, and I'm not up
to the task of programming a CD in C. Brandon The Computer God is an
actual CD-ROM interactive game programmer, I mean, he gets *paid* to do
it, so if I ever get my act together it'll happen. At least, BBI will
get to see it. At this point, I don't have high hopes for its acceptance.

So that's the story behind BBI vs the Stack O' Love. Updates can be
found, Adam Curry-like, on my World Wide Web page, URL to be found in
my .sig file.


Lynsa is lynsared@teleport.com: Look for the Stack O' Love version 2.0,
the Ultimate MSTie database, at finer ftp sites until further notice!
Remember: If MST Databases are Outlawed, Only Cabot Will Have MST
Databases. And check out my mutating-every-hour World Wide Web home
page: http://www.teleport.com:80/~lynsared
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