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DATE:    Feb-14-95 6:19am                     MSG:  183 PVT
FROM:    Digestifier
TO:      Dbn
SUBJECT: Phish Digest #598

(Continued from last message)

GMT/5:00 p.m. EST on 13 February (7:00 AM Japan standard -- Feb. 14).  Messages
arriving here before 13 February will be held for Joe to disk.   Respond thread:
POST OFFICE JOE.

Now is your chance to complain about the U.S. Postal Service or its rates;
explain the worth of the Internet, or thank him for the stamps he sells.
Whatever.  We're talking volume here.

Nasty limericks will also be accepted at this address.  Remember to circulate
this message to all who may have fun with it.  Good luck!



Lynn Kippax, Jr. (Kip)
73557.2627@compuserve.com
Thread Title: POST OFFICE JOE



=============
Kip is a friend of mine who lives in Kennebunkport, Maine (where I am from). He
is a movie-maker, and my soon to be uncle (maybe).....drop a message by to him
and the postman if you feel like it....definately send this message on to other
people who might get a laugh out of it.........rob underwood





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From: edinel@leland.Stanford.EDU (Edward Price Dinel II)
Subject: Re: Help Shelly make a tape
Date: 13 Feb 1995 17:18:52 -0800

In article <D3yIz9.G0z@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
B.P. Hamilton <u9309016@muss.cis.mcmaster.ca> wrote:
>Howdy!
>       While we're on the topic, does anyone know why *any* cd has this 
>sort of time restriction?  I mean, if you can put the entire Encyclopedia 
>Britannica on one disc, why can't music discs be longer?  Does sound take 
>up more space than written word?

        Actually, yes.  The amount of information stored on a CD for
sound is in 8 bits.  This means that 40000 times a second (the
accepted standard), the player checks the cd to see what voltage level
it's supposed to send to the speakers.  Now, the information of what
voltage levels are _possible_ is the 8-bit part.  There's 8 possible
spots along a continuum of voltage values that can be sent to the
speakers.   This is where the lower sound quality that people
sometimes mention with CDs comes from.  Text, however, well.....the
ASCII code for text uses only about 200 total numbers assigned to
characters. ("A" is 65, for example.)  If the entire encyclopedia were
stored in ASCII (it's not, but it makes it easier), it would only
require ~6 bit data storage.  Significantly smaller.  



>       Someone once told me that when cds first came out, the 
>manufacturers needed to set out some sort of guidelines for the length.  
>They asked someone what the longest piece of music was, and were told 
>that it was a classical piece that spanned about 75 minutes, so that was 
>the length that they chose.  I have absolutely no idea if this is true - 
>any ideas or info would be helpful.

        What I've heard is that Sony engineers REALLY loved
Beethoven's 9th, so they fit the CD to that.

Just as I understand it.  I'm not paid to know any of this, so for
god's sake don't quote me.



                 /
                /
               /|                       --Eddie                 
              / |
    "wa"        |    +---+              edinel@leland.stanford.edu
             ---+--- |   |
               /|\   |   |              "Duct tape is like the Force-- 
              / | \  +---+               It has a light side, a dark side,
             /  |  \                     and it binds the universe together"
                |                               --Unknown

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From: offbeat@new-orleans.Neosoft.com (OffBeat Magazine)
Crossposted-To: 
alt.music.independent,alt.music.soul,rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.bluenote.blues
,rec.music.funky,rec.music.gdead,neworleans.general
Subject: OffBeat Magazine survey #1 (Mardi Gras, Jazz Fest, street musicians)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 95 22:52:39 CST

Please take a minute to complete this survey, and mail it to OffBeat at:
                   OffBeat@new-orleans.neosoft.com

The results of these surveys will be incorporated into a column in OffBeat. 
 Also, keep your eyes open for an OffBeat WWW page that should be up in a 
month or two.  Once the page is up, the column will appear on it, along with 
other clips from the magazine.  The column may also be posted to the 
newsgroups, depending on the interest of the readers and on the publisher's 
willingness to allow it.

Thank you for your time.

                        Sincerely,
                          Alex Oliver,New Media Consultant, OffBeat magazine


1.  Where do you live?
2.  Have you ever visited New Orleans?  
          [  ] Yes, most recent visit?:
          [  ] No 

3.  Have you ever been to:
          [  ] Mardi Gras
          [  ] New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival
          [  ] both
          If both, did you prefer:
          [  ] Mardi Gras
          [  ] New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival
          Why:

4.  Currently there is a movement by the City of New Orleans to eliminate 
street musicians from Royal St. and other parts of the French Quarter.  Do 
you think the street musicians should be eliminated from the Quarter?
          [  ] Yes
          [  ] No
          Why or why not?:
5.  What New Orleans band have you most recently seen in concert or heard on 
a recording?



Thanks again for your time.

-- 
Catch y'all on the rebound,
                    --Alex Oliver, New Media Consultant, OffBeat magazine
                      harpua@new-orleans.Neosoft.com
                                  OR
                      offbeat@new-orleans.Neosoft.com


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From: MWRowe@LBL.gov (O C Beast)
Subject: Re: Help Shelly make a tape
Date: 14 Feb 1995 05:08:16 GMT

In article <D3yIz9.G0z@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, "B.P. Hamilton"
<u9309016@muss.cis.mcmaster.ca> wrote:
>       While we're on the topic, does anyone know why *any* cd has this 
> sort of time restriction?  I mean, if you can put the entire Encyclopedia 
> Britannica on one disc, why can't music discs be longer?  Does sound take 
> up more space than written word?
>       Someone once told me that when cds first came out, the 
> manufacturers needed to set out some sort of guidelines for the length.  
> They asked someone what the longest piece of music was, and were told 
> that it was a classical piece that spanned about 75 minutes, so that was 
> the length that they chose.  I have absolutely no idea if this is true - 
> any ideas or info would be helpful.
> 
>               ex-Mitch

I've also heard a variation on this.  The way I heard it, the maximum
length of a CD was chosen to be 84 minutes so that Beethoven's Ninth
Symphony, which I believe is his longest, would fit on a single disc.  I
suspect there were also marketing considerations in this decision-- if they
had made the length 90 minutes then most double albums would fit on a
single disc.  But people have less problem with paying, say, $28 for two
discs than for one, even if they have exactly the same music on them. 
Which is weird, 'cause it's a pain in the ass to have to get up in the
middle of an album to put on another disc!! :-)

Ahhh, wonderful capitalism....

The Beast                  (MWRowe@LBL.gov) 
-- 
"I drifted where the current chose afloat upon my back
 and if perchance a NEWT slimed by, I'd stuff it in my sack..."
                                  -Bill Clinton's response to the Contract
with America?

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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:10:15 EST
From: <AWHITE31@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sentences out of song titles

Is the Diagram a setlist to one of those damned CD bootlegs?
In my day, we didn't have any damn bootlegs? We just saw shows... and
we got so drunk that we didn't even remember it, and we liked it!

Sorry

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From: phish@wsnet.com
Subject: shows for blanks offer closed
Date: 14 Feb 1995 03:30:58 GMT

the title says it all i will have another offer soon though
pete

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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:18:27 EST
From: <AWHITE31@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Why people hate Sample

I happen to think, as "overplayed" as the song may be, it is an excellent
example of Phish's ever-maturing SONGWRITING skills... not particularly
instrumentally, mind you, but in the working within a traditional framework
of a song and making it "Phishy", if you will. The lyrics, IMHO, are beautiful,
 some of Marshall's best, and to me, they're not "relentlessly silly" ;-)...
 (nothing wrong with that sometimes, mind you ;-) ) but ambiguous yet
evocative (my interpretation of the song has much to do with betrayal,
but I've heard it interpreted as a song about OUI or DWI)... Sample and
"Lifeboy" are terrific examples of stellar WRITING... There is poetry there
that adds much to my enjoyment of Phish, much as the more "serious" aspects
of Rift did. What can I say, I'm a Dylan fan... I like somber subjects
sometimes... ;-)
Adam

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From: jsfrumki@mailbox.syr.edu (Judith S. Frumkin)
Subject: DMB post-party @ Syracuse
Date: 14 Feb 1995 05:02:47 GMT
Reply-To: jsfrumki@mailbox.syr.edu

Any Syracuse types that are planning on hitting the Dave Matthews
Band show next Monday,   After the show, there's a reliable-rumor 
floating around that they'll be playing with Jamie Notarthomas at
Styleens (21+).  Dave played on Jamie's last disk, (along with Trey)
and it should be quite a fine show.  I shan't be there ;-)  I'll be 
skiing in Tahoe.  Anyone know of any good clubs at Tahoe? :-)

Dan


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From: editor@mag-browse.com
Crossposted-To: 
alt.music.alternative,alt.music.nin,rec.music.gdead,rec.arts.movies,alt.tv.x-fil
es,rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5
Subject: Updated: TABLES-OF-CONTENTS 35 Music&Ent.Mags
Date: 14 Feb 1995 00:00:03 -0500
Reply-To: editor@mag-browse.com

New on the Net!  The latest front covers and tables-of-contents for
35 coolest music and entertainment magazines listing almost 500 new
stories and reports --- Updated every Monday --- 

World Wide Web:  http://www.mag-browse.com 
        Gopher:  mag-browse.com


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